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[00:00:00.30] Hey, this is Beatty Carmichael, and before I introduce this podcast session, I need to make a quick correction for you on a previous podcast episode. And on this one, you’ll hear me using the wrong word. I use a word that I call antimony to describe two truths that are appear to be in contradiction to each other. I use the wrong word. Antimony is a chemical. The word I meant to use is antinomy. So when you hear that on this podcast session and you hear the word antimony, just mentally replace it with antinomy and everything will be cool. Thanks. And here’s the podcast.

 

[00:00:35.43] Welcome, everyone. So glad you joined us again. My name is Penny. I know you’re all familiar with my voice, but for those of you who are not glad you’re joining us, I’m joined again with my great friend Beatty Carmichael. We are here to do this next session of Get Seller’s Calling You. Beatty is the CEO of Master Grabber, the creator of Agent Dominator and one of the top marketing experts in the real estate field. Beatty, I’m super excited about today. What do you have for our listeners?

 

[00:01:08.22] I’m super excited as well, Penny. We are going to do another what we call a radical space call for those who are just joining in on our podcast. This is our podcast. If you’re on the get cellar’s calling you channel because we have kind of two channels on Get Sellers Calling You. We alternate a real estate marketing with radical faith and radical faith is all about Christian teaching how to live as a Christian. So today is a radical faith portion. So if you don’t have any interest in Christian topics, you can just give this up and come back to the next one. But if you do have interest, I encourage you to listen in. So, yeah, and today we’re wrapping up a really big topic we’ve been talking on is the topic of salvation and salvation from man’s free will or by God’s choosing of that man. And it started, I was thinking is going to be like maybe a three session, three episode session. This is now Episode six. OK, so it’s been really, really big, but hopefully it’s been really exciting. I know it’s been exciting for me. And today we’re going to tie everything together because we’ve touched on a lot of different topics. But we left those topics kind of loose ended and now we’ve got like a tapestry with a bunch of strengths. And what we want to do today is just tie all the strings together and package it up and it’s going to kind of form that picture.

 

[00:02:40.05] But if you were just starting on this podcast, this is the first of these that you’ve heard. Let me encourage you rather than listening to this podcast, because it’s not going to make as much sense if you don’t have all the backstory and all of the process that we’ve come through to this point. If you’ll go back on our podcast and start with the same topic, but start with Episode one and start listening to them in sequence, I think you’ll get a lot out of it, a lot more out of it, because we’re going to skip a lot of stuff that we talked on, that domain knowledge that you’re not going to really understand or buy into. So so with that, what I’d like to do real quickly, Penny, is for our listeners kind of review what we’ve discussed thus far. And I want to keep it really condensed. OK, OK, OK. So keep in mind, this topic is Manz free will vs. essentially God’s free will. OK, which one is the overriding thing? And so the first thing we did is we had to understand what free will really is because we use terms loosely, but God uses terms specifically. This is the key. When we’re interpreting the scripture, we can’t simply use a different word than what God uses because they mean something. And so we looked at the definition of free will, by the way, free will or anything. Manz free will is never in the Bible, nowhere in the Bible. So the doctrine of free will is not a clear, specific biblical doctrine.

 

[00:04:12.66] It’s something that man has pieced together. OK, so we have to look at kind of what is free will. Merriam Webster Dictionary defines free will as the ability to choose how to act and to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God. And as it relates to salvation, free will is essentially man’s ability to choose, to repent and believe in Jesus, all of his own accord and without any involvement from the Lord in making it happen. Would you agree that that’s kind of probably the definition of what free will really is? Yes. Yeah. OK, so when we looked at this, we looked at the first session, we looked at a couple of things. We looked at what is man’s nature? And looking at a lot of purses, you first said man’s nature is he’s normally good and said, well, let’s look and see what God says about man and everything we found that from God’s perspective was evil. In fact, this is the summary that we put together from God’s perspective, which is the only perspective that that matters. He says that man’s nature is inherently evil. He is evil continuously. He’s unclean and unable to be clean, even on his own. His heart is deceitful, full of wickedness. He has no good seeks no good, does not seek. After a God is worthless and does no good, he is evil and mind and body and his mind cannot understand or accept any of God’s truth.

 

[00:05:47.84] All of those are excerpts from all of the passages we looked at. These are God’s words to us. And so if man’s nature is inherently evil. He cannot have the free will to change his nature and become good or even pursue good because of his own, he cannot act outside of his nature. One of the things we discussed and we asked is God cannot sin and he cannot sin because it’s not his nature. Men cannot choose good because it’s not his nature. OK, so that’s kind of where the nature of man’s nature comes in. But then we also looked at slavery and Jesus tells us incarnate that everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. So we find that we were in sin before we repented and became in before we repented and believed, right? Mm hmm. And when we’re enslaved to send, we no longer have a free will, because free will, by definition, is free. But if we’re a slave, we don’t have free will. We can make choices within the confines of our master. The other thing we found out and looked at was slavery is the slave does not have the free will to change masters. If a slave changes, Masters is because one master created the change and the slave simply had to go along. So back in the olden days of slavery or even modern days, a slave exchange his masters either because one master purchases it or one master conquers the other.

 

[00:07:23.78] Master we are. We used to be slaves of sin. We’re now slaves of Christ. So something happened to change our master. But we know by the element of slavery it could not have been us. Therefore it could not have been our free will. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. OK, so then the next session we looked at as we started to look at passages about choosing. So the idea of free will is that man chooses to repent and follow God. In other words, man chooses Christ. But yet there’s nowhere in the Bible. Where it says that man chooses God, but throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelations, it’s constantly talking about God choosing man. So we started to look at some of those passages and what they say. And in Jesus, in Matthew 11, he says all things have been handed to over to me by my father. And then he makes a really interesting statement. He says, No one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son and anyone to whom the son chooses to reveal him. So we see that for anyone to even know the father, the son must first choose to rebuild a father to that person. It’s not simply of a free will. Then we also look in John 15 and Jesus makes another statement. He says he’s talking to his disciples. He says, You did not choose me. But I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit.

 

[00:09:06.89] Now, if we go back and tie into one of the other episodes we talked about, which is to all who accept Christ go to heaven, the first episode we talked about the parable of the seed in the Sower and and the the defining element in what Jesus says is my disciple or not is the ability of one to produce fruit or the seed that produces fruit. In that topic, we discussed and came to the conclusion that fruit is Christ being formed in you. Do you recall that? Yes, I do. OK, so when Jesus says I chose you. And a point of view that you should bear fruit. What we can then kind of transliterate that based on these other scriptures itself, what Chris is really saying is I chose you, that I would be formed Inju and that I would produce fruit through you. In other words, all of the action is Jesus, none of the action is man, do you see that? Yeah, OK. And then if therefore, if God is a one choosing man. Then. It’s not man’s free will choosing God. Then we see this even more clearly in our third episode, we’re talking about in Christ, so in Ephesians one, it says that God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. And we started talking about the lineage, we talked about the passage. I think it’s Galatians that says Levi Page Tides because he was in Abraham’s loins when Abraham had ties to Melchizedek. Do you remember that?

 

[00:11:04.32] I do a little bit, yes.

 

[00:11:06.19] Ok, and so basically what this is saying is there is a lineage, there’s an ancestry that because Leevi is of the direct lineage of Abraham, then Levi was considered to be in Abraham. That’s basically the concept that we’re talking about. And so here in Ephesians, God is saying that he chose us in Christ. Before the foundation of the world, in other words, we are of Christ spiritual lineage, there is a direct lineage between Christ and us. We are in Christ essentially. It’s kind of what that saying and but the most important part of this is. Because Levi was in Abraham’s loynes. Eventually, Levi was born as a descendant of Abraham, and because we are in Christ, we were already chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, then that means that that crisis, our ancestry and our lineages, that we would be, quote unquote, born OK. And that happened. That choosing of being in Christ was long before we ever repented and believed. Then we looked at another session in session for we looked at sheep. And every time the metaphor of sheep is used, it’s representing not only God’s chosen people, but God’s people who receive eternal life. Back in Isaiah says all we have shaped have gone astray and a Lord has placed our iniquity on the Messiah. OK, so when our iniquity is placed on the Messiah, that means we no longer carry the the the punishment of that iniquity. Right. And so that means that when our iniquity is placed on the Messiah, that’s when we now have salvation now are justified.

 

[00:13:08.25] So we see in that the metaphor, a sheet representing those who are justified through the action of the Messiah. And then we see Jesus talking about the lost sheep. You remember the parable of the law sheep. A shepherd loses a sheep, he leaves the 99, he goes searcher’s goes after the one goes out to the one, puts them on his shoulder and everyone rejoices, right? Yes. Who does a lost sheep represent? And an unbeliever, and it represents a nonbeliever who repents and believes. It’s not just Nonbeliever’s, it it’s the one who has found the lost sheep is always found, OK? And when he is found, that’s designating he’s repented and believed. Right. Yes, yes, OK, you’re right. Was the sheep did the sheep already belong to the shepherd before it was lost? Yes, yeah, so the shape was already, so we know the shepherd is Jesus and the shape is us, we were already Jesus’s before we were lost, but we’re lost in sin, which started at birth. Right, because we’re born in sin. That’s right. OK, so what this means is we were already has before we were born, which goes back to we were already in Christ before the foundation of the world. But then let’s look at this lost sheep one a little bit closer. This a sheep by his own free will find the shepherd and rejoin the flock. Or is it an act of the shepherd that finds the lost sheep?

 

[00:14:50.56] It’s an act of the shepherd, he goes for the sheep.

 

[00:14:53.80] He goes after the sheep. So is there any free will of the sheep involved? No. OK, so free will doesn’t exist there either. And then last session, we talked about the concept of mind versus not mind from God’s perspective, those who are God, those who are not gods. Mm hmm. And we make a Jesus makes a really clear distinction. This isn’t John. He makes a really clear distinction between two groups of people, just as there’s a distinction between the sheep and the goats. Remember, back to the sheep, you know, he puts the sheep on his right. They go to eternal heaven. He puts the goats on his left and they go to destruction. So we see this concept in this pattern of separate groups of people. OK, we see with Israel, we see it with everyone. So Jesus makes this distinction that there’s two groups of people, one who cannot come to him. And the other who will come to him and follow him? OK, so this is and Jon Kate and I’m just going to read what we discussed last time. Jesus is talking and he said to them, I’m going away and you will seek me and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come.

 

[00:16:21.30] He’s talking to some Pharisees at this time or some Jews. And what’s interesting is the word you cannot Jesus isn’t saying I know that you will not repent and believe. And therefore where I’m going, you won’t come. Jesus makes a statement. You cannot come in. The Greek word means no, never. Not at all. Nothing, OK, it is an impossibility. So Jesus is saying it is impossible for you to come where I’m going. And he continues. He says if God were your father, you would love me. So now he’s saying that God is not your father. And it’s not that God is not your father now, but he’s going to be your father later. Let’s he says if God were your father, you would love me, for I came from God. He said, you cannot. There’s that word again. You cannot bear to hear my word because you are of your father, the devil. So now he makes a clear distinction. You are of the devil. You cannot hear my word. And then immediately after that he says, whoever is of God hears the words of God for you to hear the words of God. Must you already be a God?

 

[00:17:35.98] Yes.

 

[00:17:37.33] Ok, so now he is saying your origin is determining whether you get to hear my words or not, you choose your origin. Was your father the devil? You cannot hear my words. Only those who are of God can’t even hear the words of God. And the reason you do not hear them, he says, is because you are not of God. So we see this pattern. Where Jesus is making a very clear distinction, there are two groups of people, those of God and those not a God, and he says that only those who are of God can even hear my words. Are you following where I’m going? This is a springboard. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So then we look at this distinction even further and we see it becomes clear. Where does faith come from? Do you remember what we talked about a long time ago? Those Romans, 10, 17.

 

[00:18:32.62] Who does faith come from, where faith come from, a hearing and hearing what? Hearing the word, what word? The word of God.

 

[00:18:45.67] Oh, faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God, but only those of God can hear the word of God, which is what Jesus says. Do you see the problem? Mm hmm. So only those of God can even hear the word. I’ve got to have faith, must you have faith to repent and believe in Jesus? Yes, but you can’t have that faith unless you can hear the word of God, right? Mm hmm. You can hear the words and you cannot hear the word of God unless you are already of God, that’s what Jesus clearly says. All this creates that conundrum again, doesn’t it? That’s right. And so far, man is responsible to repent and believe in some mysterious way. His faith to repent and believe is determined by God and not by man’s free will. Follow me on that. OK, so then we have more the conundrum and I want to address it. One of the things we talked about a while back is the concept of antimony. Okay. And this is I want to give credit back to G.P.A. on on this little section I want to discuss, because I think it clearly shows you where this conundrum and this thinking of wemade, there’s got to be a free will because this just doesn’t make sense. OK, so antimony is where you have two truths that appear to contradict each other, but they actually peacefully coexist with each other. What has to happen is you have to get your eyes off of manslaughter. You can actually look and see what God’s word says. So I want you to turn real quickly to John six verse 38 through 40.

 

[00:20:40.80] Ok. Let’s see, John, six thirty eight through 40 says.

 

[00:20:49.66] Sir, I have come down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me but raise it up on the last day, for this is the will of my father that everyone who looks on the sun and believes in him will have eternal life. And I will raise him up on that last day.

 

[00:21:15.94] Ok, so here are two really cool truths. Truth number one, Jesus says all that he has given me. OK, so this is Christ’s saving mission defined in terms of those whom the father has chosen to give him, and he says of them, I lose not one. In other words, 100 percent of every person the father has given me. I will take to heaven with me. Do you see that? Mm hmm. OK, but then look, in the very same passage, we have another truth. Everyone who looks on the sun and believes in him should have eternal life. And I will raise him up on the last day. This is Christ saving mission defined in terms of all of mankind. To whom he offers himself and the promise without distinction that if they will repent and believe, he will certainly save them. OK, so we had to choose those that God gives me 100 percent go. And the other truth. All anyone who repents and believes, I will say so then we here’s a question for the statement to be anyone who repents and believes I will save, does that require that everyone have the ability to repent and believe for it to be true?

 

[00:22:50.26] No.

 

[00:22:52.71] I don’t know, are we going to explore that so we actually we actually talked about it last time, mind versus not mine.

 

[00:23:00.47] Ok, yeah, the answer would be yeah, they have to have the ability for that statement to be true.

 

[00:23:07.16] Yes, so when Jesus says where I’m going, you cannot come, no way possible. Do they have the ability to repent and believe, not the opportunity, but the ability? Let me let’s go back to let’s go back to theology. This will make sense. OK, so we talked about a rich dad, poor dad theology last time. In a narrow sense, rich dad has children taken away at birth. Rich dads is the king owns the kingdom. Later in life, he wants to find his children to give his inheritance to. So he sends out his servants with a proclamation. Whoever passes the DNA test will inherit the kingdom of the King. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Is that proclamation true for everyone in the kingdom?

 

[00:24:05.57] No, well, it’s true, yes, yes, there you true. But is everyone in the kingdom had the ability to pass it, know who can pass it?

 

[00:24:17.81] Only those that are that have his DNA are.

 

[00:24:22.77] Only those who are in Christ. Before the foundation of the world are therefore of God and therefore can hear the words of God and therefore the statement that Christ makes, whoever repents and believes I will save is true. But the other statement, only those whom the father has chosen and given to me will actually be the ones with the ability to repent and believe. Do you see how this these are two truths? They’re both completely true. They appear to be in contradiction, but they’re really not.

 

[00:25:04.25] No. Mm.

 

[00:25:06.75] You’re still not buying into it, so it’s tough, right?

 

[00:25:11.77] Ok, yeah, I get it, I get it.

 

[00:25:15.63] It’s changing one’s perspective and that’s the hardest thing. So what I want to do real quickly is I want to touch now that we’ve gone through all of this, I want to touch on predestination, because I know for most people, a lot of people, this is a dirty word. Predestination because it creates so much conflict and notice this entire topic, I’ve never used the word destination, we’ve never focused on any of the verses on predestination, but everything seems to point in that direction. So now what I want to do is I want to talk about predestination. Is that OK? Yes, OK, so let me let me state what most people think of when they think of predestination, they say there’s no way a loving God would predestined someone to hell. That just doesn’t seem right. Is that what most people say?

 

[00:26:15.57] Yes, I would agree with that.

 

[00:26:18.03] All right, so here’s the problem. They take the scripture out of context. And then they apply a meaning that God doesn’t give us. This is the problem that I see so much is we put man’s perspective and not God’s perspective in every instance where the word predestined is used. Or even the word of choosing or election, it’s always focused on those whom God has chosen to receive his kingdom. Let me ask a question, when the rich man puts out a proclamation, whoever passes the DNA test will receive an inheritance in my kingdom. Are certain people predestined? To be able to pass that test.

 

[00:27:12.15] Yes, his children.

 

[00:27:13.89] Ok, does that mean that the king has predestined poverty upon everyone else?

 

[00:27:25.54] Wow. No, put it that way, that sounds mean, but yes, yes, no, no, the king done predestined them because the king didn’t burst them and then assign them.

 

[00:27:38.65] They’re the king can give his inheritance to his descendants, but he’s not obligated to give his inheritance to his non descendants. So what happens is we start to twist it and say. Well, you’re giving it to some people, that means you are purposely sending those other people to hell, no. God says the wages of sin is death. Period. So it’s a you know, it’s so it’s not a predestination, but with that, what I want to do is I want to look at two verses because only a few verses that mention predestination. I just want to show this to you in scripture. Go to Ephesians one versus four and five.

 

[00:28:24.53] And we’ll do all these still in ESV, as we always say, effusions one verse four and five says even as he shows us and him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him and love, he predestined us for adoption to himself as son through Christ Jesus, according to the purpose of as well.

 

[00:28:48.94] Ok, so here we see again. He chose us and him in Christ before the foundation of the world. And because we were chosen before the foundation of the world, that means he has predestined us for that adoption. OK, so that’s where that’s what Predestined is talking about, because he’s already chosen us. By the way, would you deny the fact. That God has chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world. No, and by not denying it, you by consequence, you affirm predestination. Because that’s really all it is, do you see how this works?

 

[00:29:31.70] Sort of OK. I think my brain has been trained to think a certain way, so that’s right. Even if something even if something makes sense, it goes in contradiction to what I’ve always thought or.

 

[00:29:49.49] That’s it. That’s right. Right. And so what we have to do is we have to wash our brain of man’s wisdom and logic and renew our mind and God’s truth. OK, let me see if this makes sense real quickly, you don’t have grandchildren yet, but when you have grandchildren, are they predestined to be of your lineage and to receive of your inheritance?

 

[00:30:17.51] Ultimately, yes.

 

[00:30:21.80] They’re in you, they’re predestined simply because they’re in you, it’s not that you purposely said, I’m going to give Sue my stuff and John next door, I’m not because I don’t like John. It’s simply because they’re your descendants. Let’s look at the next passage. Romans eight, 28 through 30.

 

[00:30:44.73] Ok, all right. Romans eight verse twenty eight through 30 says. And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose, for those he’s for new. He also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in order that he might be the first born among many brothers. And those whom he predestined, he also called and those whom he called, he also justified those whom he justified, he also glorified.

 

[00:31:22.80] Ok, wow, so this is all kinds of things that are really difficult, predestined, called all these things. Let me ask you, based on what we’ve been talking about. Does this start to make more sense maybe than it did before we started the series?

 

[00:31:41.73] A little bit, yes, a little bit.

 

[00:31:43.66] Ok, so what I like to do is I’d like to have you look at the sequence of what Paul is talking about. And primarily, I think this is first thing, but I want to compare it to what we’ve been talking about and see if now we can add some illumination to it. So says those he predestined. He also called, in other words. Those whom he chose to be in Christ before the foundation of the world and were therefore already his sheep before they got lost. Right, OK. Mm hmm. Those are the ones that are a sheep and his sheep follow him. Does that make sense so far? Mm hmm. OK. Jesus says that he calls his sheep by name, which means that he already knows us. And it says that the sheep, his sheep hear his voice and will follow him. You remember that? Yes, they follow him because they are already his and what is the first step for us to follow Jesus?

 

[00:32:56.77] Believing that there is a Jesus, right, believing him.

 

[00:33:00.97] So let me let me make it more technically scripturally accurate, repent and believe. Would you agree with that? OK. Yes. OK, so that’s a first step. That’s how you that’s how you become a baby Christian. You repent and believe, OK. And what happens spiritually when we repent and believe.

 

[00:33:23.67] Our spirit man is raised with Christ.

 

[00:33:27.52] Okay, all right, so our spirit man is raised with Christ, but there’s a there’s a technical word, a legal word I’m looking for of what actually happens in relation to our sins or forgiven understands completely.

 

[00:33:43.02] Yeah. We’re justified for the future. Yeah, we’re justified.

 

[00:33:47.43] Ok, so the technical word is justified when we repent and believe we then become justified, just as if I had never sin because those saints are now transferred to Jesus, right? Mm hmm. Okay, so now look at this verse. Those whom he predestined because they were in Christ. They were his sheep. He called when he calls, Jesus says they will follow him, which means repent and believe and then look at the next section repenting and believe means those whom he called, he also justified. Why does he justified? Because when he calls them, they do respond by repenting and believing that making sense. Do you see that? Yeah. Yeah. OK, this is what Jesus says. None that you’ve given me. Do I lose notice also. It doesn’t say. Some whom he called, he also justified, it says those whom he called, in other words, if Jesus calls you, you will be justified because you will repent and believe because you were his sheep, because you were in him, because you were predestined, because you were already in him. Do you see kind of this this train connecting all together? Okay. Yeah. All right. So then then after justification, you have those whom he justified. He also glorified, glorified as occurs when we receive our resurrected body, we our body is now glorified in the image of Christ. Okay, so we see this entire pattern. We’re chosen in Christ, which means we then been predestined for our destiny. Then he calls us and because we’re already his we hear his voice and respond and because we respond, he justifies and because we’re justified. He he clarifies. OK, now let’s look at another thing that’s always difficult. It’s ties back to Will. Surely God doesn’t send people to hell if he could send them to heaven. OK, and that general concept, why would God do that? OK, so let’s look at Romans nine 19 through 24. Do this in the NIV version, Romans nine nine through 24. And this is the Potter and the clay. So this is Paul writing under the direction of the Holy Spirit. Telling us this very same issue that we’re struggling with.

 

[00:36:24.99] Ok, twenty three, twenty four, 1934. OK, one of you will say to me, then, why does God still blame us for who is able to resist as well?

 

[00:36:37.97] Pause for a moment, but why does God so blame us? I mean, he’s got the ability to make us more perfect to justify. So why does he blame us for our sins? Okay, so keep going.

 

[00:36:50.60] But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? What is formed, say, to the one who formed it? Why did you make me like this? Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay, some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy? He prepared in advance for glory, even us. He also called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles.

 

[00:37:32.72] Okay, so basically, just in brief summary. You know, well, why don’t you say, why does God so blame us? Paul says, Does not the Potter talking about God have the right to make two groups of vessels out of the same material, one for holy use and one that will end up in destruction? Doesn’t the Potter have the right to do whatever he wants to do? That’s basically what this is saying. So does this indicate that maybe God formed some people for destruction and others for blessing?

 

[00:38:11.52] So.

 

[00:38:14.02] Possibly you don’t want to believe what you don’t want to accept that, but read this back. So first off, quite when when he says, why does God so blame us? And who are you to question God? Does not the Potter say, can we make the connection that the potter’s now a metaphor referencing God? Yes. OK, so does this say that God has the right and uses that right to make some look at the very end, some that he prepares for glory and some that he prepares for destruction? And the vessels we know represent people. Does the Potter create some vessels that are going to be used for destruction?

 

[00:39:02.89] Yes.

 

[00:39:04.24] Does the powder create some vessels that are used for glory? Yes, does the Potter choose which vessels are which? Yes, is the powder representing God? Yes, do the vessels represent men? And because of that, the implication of what this is saying is really tough to handle, but rather than trying to really dig into this further right now, what I’d like to do is let’s wrap up today and then on the next and final session, I’ll come back and we’ll look at this with some other things, I think that make it all make more sense. Is that all right? Yeah, more to come for those listeners. And by the way, if you like this, if you haven’t subscribe to our podcast, please do so. So you get more of these. And I’d like to challenge everyone on this to go and ask yourself, why do I believe this certain way and find the scriptures, not one scripture, but the pattern of scriptures that all point to why you should believe that way. Make sure that what we’re believing and this is I think I mentioned this, this is maybe not this is how I started in this whole process. I started to experience things that my church not taught. And then I question how much of what I believe that I’ve been taught to believe is really the truth. So then I started to dig into scripture and say, what does the scripture say, no longer satisfied to believe what I’ve been taught simply because I’ve been taught it. I want foundational proof from God’s word alone. And that’s why I keep wanting to reference back, find some scripture. Show me what we’re talking about and let’s look at it, because from there we can come and see what it is.

 

[00:41:04.72] Well, it definitely brings up a lot of questions. And I would just want to conclude by encouraging those who are listening to do just like what Beatty said, just go to the word, read the word and and pray and ask the Lord as the Lord, what it is that he wants you to hear from that word and listen to him and let him tell you. Beatty, thank you so much for yet again. Another great session and thank you for the time and effort you put into this. And we’re out of time for today, but we look forward to meeting with you all again very soon.

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